they have been -- they have not met many of their goals. they're going to now have to sue for a cease-fire. they may win some inter-palestinian arguments, because fatah in the west bank, the palestinian authority, looks very weak right now. but i think internationally, surprising quiet. not many countries come into hamas' defense, and i think the israeli government restraint, not launching the ground invasion, has been a very wise move by prime minister netanyahu. nobody wins in this these situations and the civilian populations of both countries have been the big losers. but i do think, there is going to be a measure of respect for how the prime minister of israel has handled this in not going into gaza, if it can end, as we hope, tomorrow, the next day, with a ceasefire. >> do you agree, jamie, nick says it was started by -- >> certainly i agree the big losers are the populations. they're the pawns in this game. and hamas used its population. i do think, however, there is a difference this time around. that hamas has the visitors of turkey, has the visitors of the iraqi government, other foreign ministers. that is new. hamas used to be fully isolated.